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 Post subject: Kiev, first time visit
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 9:43 pm 
 
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Added: 23:38 27th.Jun.2005

Has anyone got any advice for someone planning to visit Kiev for the first time very soon. Any do's and don'ts?
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 Post subject: A commentary by: Veronika
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 9:43 pm 
 
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A commentary by: Veronika
Added: 14:40 28th.Jun.2005

HI, Brad,

What Dave said is very true, especially about suing in Ukraine for ridiculous reasons or for any other reasons for this matter... and about beautiful women. Though I am Ukrainian, I want to defend American women a little bit. There are some gorgeous women in America too, I just wish they would have a bit more sense of style.
Anyway, some advice for first time traveler to Ukraine:
1. Have cash with you. Ukraine is still very much a cash country. Though ATMs are everywhere, they are Ukrainian banks ATMs, they will charge you some fee for withdrawing and if you will be withdrawing local money, they will charge for exchange. It`s not much but there might be other predicaments. My husband tried to withdraw 100$ in ATM unsuccessfully. Later when he returned to the States, his bank statement showed withdrawal of 600$. Every time he hit withdraw it processed it without giving him cash. Eventually, we resolved the problem but it took about 5 months.
2. If you use public transportation like tram or bus or trolley, you have to buy a ticket. They sell them right there in a bus. You also have to put it in the device which makes holes in this ticket, which means that you paid for your ride. Not in all places though, so just watch what local people do with their tickets. Actually, this a good general advice. Do what other people do if you are in a foreign country.
3. If you are invited to somebody's place, take off you shoes before come in inside. Nobody is gonna kill you if you won't but they will appreciate if you will. It sort of Japanese tradition. Ukrainians don't wear shoes at home (unless it`s house shoes).
4. Do have toilet paper with you. (ha-ha). Public toilets got better but they still might miss this necessity. By the way some toilets are not free. You have to pay 50 kopeks (about 10 cents)
5. Don't be scared to say hello to women. Nobody's gonna sue you for sexual harassment. There is no notion like this there.
6. Don't be afraid to carry open container on the street. Everybody drinks beer there right on the street.
7.Avoid gypsy on the street. They usually want to tell your fortune. They are annoying and sometimes can steal. Just ignore them and walk right by.

I guess this is all I can think of right now. Dave is right. It's a fun place to be especially if you have a good company.

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 Post subject: Dave Aria comment
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 9:45 pm 
 
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Dude, don't worry. It is all good. Smile at all the Ukrainians for no reason at all. Then learn how to say something in Russian like, "Excuse me ma'am. Can you tell me where the nearest psychiatric hospital is?" They will give you a very strange look most likely. They have no concept of smiling for no reason at all. Yell at the bank tellers and tell them to hurry up. They do not understand anything else. Oh yes, do not drink the water from the faucet. And if you order ice, get someone to confirm it is from a filtered system. This is just my personal advice. I always drank bottled water. I even brushed my teeth with bottled water.

Just in case you do not already know this, Kiev has been wonderful, safe, and the people are all good. Kiev Connections was the best. Vlad, Brett, and the girls there were wonderful! I took one of the ladies who works at Kiev Connections out. She translated for me when I went shopping and we went to dinner. So this was a nice way to learn about Ukraine. She told me many things about how everything works in Ukraine. If you have any specific questions, you can email me at powercleanent@aol.com I have been there twice, and I am going back again soon. I also spend a lot of time with my Ukrainian friends here in my city....hope your trip goes well. And here is one more do - do have fun. And one more don't - don't worry.

Do find as many beautiful women wherever you go - believe you me - they are everywhere. Just walk into Kiev Connections and you will see what I mean.

Do not leave Kiev once you arrive. If you do, the women will disappear. I noticed this when I got off my plane 18 hours later. I said to myself, "What happened. Where did they all go."

Then I remembered what I heard on the news in America - 60% of Americans are obese! Now I know it is true.

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 Post subject: Dave Aria comment
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 9:46 pm 
 
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And one more thing. Do not try to sue people there in Ukraine. If you slip and fall, they will just think you are stupid, especially if you try to find a lawyer to sue someone. Then you will look really dumb. You will come out to look like a soft American.

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 Post subject: George comment
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 10:15 pm 
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be aware of the fact that some restaurants do not allow casual attire. Please wear something that is at least nice casual if you are going out after 6 pm. I was almost turned away from a restaurant for that reason, and it was quite embarrassing.

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Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:35 am 
 
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This is an advise from a Russian that was born in Ukraine.

Don't show American Passport to everybody.
Don't go to Metro or Subway at night .
Don't pick up strange women at the hotels
Try to learn some Russian before you go or get yourself a pocket translator.
Don't ask directions from cops
Don't bring fancy jewelry .

That's about it

The only thing I don't understand is why fly over there to find a Ukrainian/Russian/Mongolian/Armenian/Georgian when you have plenty of them here all you have to know is where to look for them .


 
 
 
   
 
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Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 9:26 am 
 
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You must have been some time since you have been in the Ukraine! Things have really changed here a lot and it is a far cry from the Soviet days.

When I first went to Russia many years ago I was very cautious to avoid the police and not to be stopped by them and hassled. I was only hassled by the police in Moscow and that was pretty regularly. Even years ago I was never hassled by the police in St. Petersburg.

The Ukraine is EXTREMELY different than Russia.

In the last three years in Kiev they have built in the very center three modern malls as well as hundreds of ATM machines have appeared where there are few before. The center of Kiev is not a very modern and European city.

I have always highly suggested my clients stay only in the safe center of Kiev. The very center area of Kiev is very nice and westernized and you should not have any problems. You can venture out into the suburbs during the day if you're very confident or you have a friend. But again, I HIGHLY suggest not venturing out of the safe center of Kiev at night.

That being said, after living here for years I have never had any problems or issues in Kiev, but I'm always in the center. Even going home late at night, such as two o'clock in the morning or later, walking home alone and obviously being American I have never had any problems.

The police have stopped me a total of three times and this was always late at night and asked for my documents. To me this is a normal duty of a police officer and they always treated me very kindly and respectful. After making sure everything was OK they politely hand my documents back and I was on my way. You should not fear or avoid the police here. Things have changed a lot and it is no longer the Soviet Union.

The Ukraine is probably the best place in the world to show your wealth. You'll see more wealth blatantly shown in any place on the earth. It even goes so far as to judge you by the quality and expense of your cell phone. The new fashion item here are cell phones the cost several thousand dollars!

Again, that being said, I would agree and not suggest showing too much money. Most people here can see who is an American walking down the street. Everyone knows I'm a foreigner. Most foreigners are known to have large numbers of money on them but so far except for the “money drop” no one has ever been harmed.

A very popular and frequent scam is the “money drop”. You'll be walking down the street and someone will plainly say to in English “wow look at this money I found! Is it yours?”

In this scam a man appears to find money on the streets and asks you if it yours. There are many variations of the scam but things quickly deteriorate. Many times he has a Confederate working with him and sometimes even a false policeman. If you interact with him or them you will quickly lose your money! My advice to all my clients is to see something extremely harsh such as “* off” and go about your business. If you stop and interact with them they will get your money!

Other that simple scam, which frequently happens, I really have not seen or experienced any problems. I am now knocking on wood and hoping that I have a jinx myself :cry:

I didn't touch the questions about strange women in your hotel room! That's a pretty obvious one and there are always risks and activities like that :D

Brett

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